"I hope a dog bites his balls off!!! if he has any that is.....arrgggggg i'm so mad!!" is a scrap i received this morning from Sharon. Now, though she has her faults, I'm the last one to deny it, she doesn't usually get this violent - worked up yes, but violent, no.
But she had reason this time.
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=11322093
If you can't be bothered to click on the link (and I'm a bit of a non-link-clicker myself, so totally understand) it's basically a community that wants to annihilate stray dogs. Features include, a forum called 'how do u get rid of them' and 'very sad' whatever the fuck that means.
AND you need to check out this guy.
http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=17672038235765083608
His name is 'Mo Alt + F4' whatever the fuck that means, and somewhere in the community he says:
"I've been a lil cruel to the stray dogs clan.. I've run over my bike,car and i have stoned the shit outta those mother @#$%in dogs. I have broken their jaws wid a baseball bat also. Guess what??? It helps.. Lols"
Psycho. And the 'Lol' that comes at the end is what gets me. This loser actually thinks its cool to break the jaws of stray dogs with a bat.
Sharon says that the municipality used to get rid of these dogs by beating them to death - shoving them into some kind of bag (was that it, dear?) and beating them til their bones break. Or giving them acid baths. Now, post-SPCA, its a little more humanitarian, sterilisation happens.
I don't have a pet, and I'm not the type who goes out and plays with stray dogs and feeds them or whatever, but I mean, come on.
HOWEVER, I would also like to pose the opposing point of view. There was this episode of The Practice - one or two shows were really good despite the horrible melodrama - where a couple of kids stone a cat to death. The old lady to whom the cat belonged sues them, and the defendants' lawyer, in his statement, points out a couple of things worth considering.
He said, lobsters are cooked alive to preserve the taste, chicken at hatcheries are treated horribly. I will add to that - I remember seeing a video on hatcheries, and the chicken, apart from being stuffed together in cages, have their beaks sliced off (the video actually showed this process, it was traumatic) and i got another forward which says that these chicken are injected with steroids to make them more meaty, and they become so fat that their knees snap under the weight, and they are dragged out by their legs anyway.
The lawyer's point was - isn't it hypocrisy to say all THAT shit is ok, and convict these two boys for this offence? Thought it was an excellent, excellent point.
I bring this in here, just to wonder, do we have double standards for treatment of animals? I'm not saying that psychos like this MoFo buggar should get away with it, but... is it ok to treat something well because it LOOKS cute, or beautiful, or whatever, while we're guilty of torturing other not so beautiful animals?
I'm not excluding myself from this group btw, in case you think i'm being 'holier than thou'. And I'm not advocating vegetarianism.
I just think this is worth considering.
49 comments:
tell me about it man, that has the worst "MO FO" ive ever seen, what a fugly person!! i wish there was a law to break these ppls jaws instead!
Abhinav, I guess it's something to do with one of three reasons: traumatic experiences that one has had with dogs; or the fact that something else in life frustrates them that they take out on another 'species' in this manner; or people think it's fashionable to speak 'aggro' against some helpless species this way. No excuse is really acceptable for this kind of behaviour or thinking. It certainly is a sorry state of affairs.
It's terrible. There was this guy who used to kill house lizards with his toes just for fun.Disgusting.
Humans (if we could call some of them that) can be so pathetic. Every Dog has its day, and I hope that they go straight for all the repulsive characters who abused them.
so now its a dog biting saga
@yogi,
lets take the law into our own hands and give this guy a bit of a kicking. or maybe we can pull a sharon and call him and say we're from the SPCA lol.
@bharat,
i agree with you, but of late, i have begun to feel that one's past is no excuse.
i mean, every movie about some psycho character delves into his past and explores the torture he went thro which made him like this.
in the end of the day, what does it matter, yaar? All that matters are his actions today. What do you think?
@nandita,
bleagh youve totally ruined my appetite. with his TOE? gosh!
yes, i do remember such cases from childhood, tho i can happily say that i have not been responsible for any of them. but i do remember this little fellow, about three years old i'm sure, pick up a brick with great difficulty, and drop it on a puppy.
what is it all about man.
@anonymous,
er... indeed.
u've certainly provided some food for thought. i can't imagine anyone actually hurting dogs like that, stray or otherwise. i've seen a lot of freaky and dumb communities on orkut but this one's just...(sorry i can't find the right word).
kyra,
thats quite alright, i felt a touch queasy too. the question is, is there any point doing anything about it, rather than just ignore it?
All this is fine.
But, I am curious off all of the people who say that they love pets and dont hurt animals, are vegetarians. Because if we are not one, we are being just hypocritical.
Oops, I didnt read the last half of your article. So, I think my comment does not adds anything, you have already mentioned it.
@nowhere man,
well.. i guess i have nothing to add, except that i don't have an opinion on vegetarianism - but mass production of meat is a sick business - and i don't see any solution to it either.
the guys who break the beaks off chicken and the ones who cook lobsters live because they taste better are cruel. such things ought to be banned. am also against using animals to test cosmetics.
whether one should not kill an animal for food is a whole different debate and I think it is OK to do so. law of nature, food chain and all that...
the guy who breaks the jaw of a stray dog with a baseball bat, needs to be cooked alive for my pleasure.
and the bit about the guy and his freaky thing with lizards is just disgusting. eww
personally, i'm terrified of them. i know they're harmless and all..its just one of those unexplainable,irrational fears.
my god my names never been mentioned so much in a blog !
but really if i see that guy around maybe i'll run over him and then use a cricket bat! don't think i can get hold of a baseball bat!
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@sridhar,
i agree with you completely. I personally don't see anything wrong with eating meat - but the practices in mass production of meat are downright horrible.
but one cant expect these hatcheries to suddenly become very ethical etc.
basically its the profit that counts and nothing else - and thats not something thats going to change.
i suppose the only solution is through imposing laws... which is not going to happen... any ideas?
@kyra,
yes thats totally ok. as long as you dont go around killing them. i dont knwo what this obsession is with killing something you have a problem with.
@sharon,
shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaRUN!
just a clarification. i wasn't saying non-vegetarianism is bad or anything. i said the mass production of the same has atrocious practices. not sure if people are aware, or if they are, maybe they blind themselves to it. i just wanted to bring it up here.
killing?? running 10 miles away from that place would be more like my reaction
i think cows are cute too. but people (majority) eat cows, and not dogs.
people (majority-ish) think snakes are scary/icky/creepy, but don't eat them.
possibly, they (the majority..the ones who don't eat rabbit) need to find a middle ground. not too cute, but not too scary. then, it can be consumed with a sound mind.
Mo Alt + F4...could be a dick, could be joking. who's to know? i've written some crappy things on my blog, as you know.
then again, there is a chap in college who supposedly stoned a puppy/dog to death. senior or no senior, i just can't respect someone like that.
now, the thing is, should a person value the life of another person, any person no matter how evil and sadistic he/she is?
@kyra,
right...
@antickpix,
sorry man but i'm not too sure i understand what you're saying. If you're advocating rabbit, then maybe you've never read watership down.
the question you put - should one value the life of someone sadistic.. gosh, thats deep. i dont know exactly what you mean - but how does it really matter unless you hold that person's life in your hands?
well, to be honest, i don't think i got it.
cheers.
17 comments in two days: how do you do it? Do you bribe these people?
But man, you've raised a hornet's nest of a debate here. Way I look at it, unless you're strictly vegetarian and only live off organic produce, in some isolated place where you're truly one with nature, you can't reasonably judge anyone else who's cruel to animals. And I say anyone ELSE, because virtually everything you do and use in an urban environment is designed to harm animals in some way or other. Every kind of medicine and cosmetic product is tested on a virtual who's who of the animal kingdom, every human activity - from building and using roads to using plastic containers and bags to blaring loud religious music or party propaganda on a loudspeaker to waste disposal and a million other things all directly or indirectly lead to the death or mutilation of some hapless animal or bird. Given the basis of our economy in general (an industrialized technocentric one), there's really nothing we can do except go back to the beginning and start over fresh. Ha, fat chance of that happening.
fantastic the way you connected hatred of strays with racial prejudice and hatred. you really have hidden depths. as for sharon, i wouldn't like to run into her when she's in the mood to smash skulls with baseball bats! god knows what sins i have committed! anyway, good on you both for stirring up this exciting debate.
ah okay i shall keep my valuable comments to myself :p
@eyefry,
you're absolutely right - and leave alone animals - i remember there was this guy who came to lecture at school, and he opend his lec saying: "Everytime this ceiling fan turns, two people die" refering to the tribals in Narmada.
But tho violence and cruelty is so deeply embedded in our lives, i still feel that its better off being violent through ignorance than to want to smash the jaws of stray dogs.
there are people who disagree with that point of view of course.
@abhorigine,
you've hit the nail on the head (and i'm not just talking about me having hidden depths :D) but also sharon. She's a dangerous, and we all live in fear of her... What to do, such is our lot.
@kyra
awwwww babe don't be that way. i love having your comments here! are u objecting to my monosyllabic response to your last comment? but i honestly didn't know what to say, which doesn't mean i didn't like your comment!
True enough. Speaking of such things, have you noticed how this ridiculous new post-munnabhai word "gandhigiri" has started proliferating everywhere like rabbits at an oyster farm? To the point that every time there's some vague mention of the Mahatma or some experiments with satyagraha in a faraway land or even just the process of democratization in general, it's perfunctorily termed "gandhigiri". I find the whole thing offensive and am starting a movement against it. Who's with me on this?
i'm vegetarian..but am ok with the fact that people eat whatever they want...what i hate is when ppl who eat meat call themselves animal lovers and pretend to love them when they're actually eating...and i didn't bother checking the links either..the practice amazing show...bobby donald! actually liked eugene the best...but hey boston legal is awesome....alan shore all the way!!!
@eyefry,
never heard the term, mate.
but then me and hindi movies.. poles apart. especially after the kal ho na ho debacle.
@lakshmi,
i'm not sure that isn't too simplistic a way of looking at it. if you look at eyefry's earlier comment (not the weird stuff about gandhigiri) he's made some really interesting points, which tantamount to the fact that virtually "everything you do and use in an urban environment is designed to harm animals in some way or other".
so technically none of us can be animal lovers, by your logic.
lol im not objecting to anything. you just responded in the way i would to such a comment.
Abhinav, nicely done. Such a thorny issue, but worth hinking about. Our lack of concern for the planet is something quite remarkable; all the mass processing in big industry--food and non-food--is awful (did you know that even metal zippers, hooks, and fasteners on clothes are terrible for the environment? Even when we're aware of this stuff and try to do something, it's often just too expensive. In the US, organic milk costs twice as much as toxic chemical milk, and all the cruelty-free products cost 3 to 4 times as much as the generic brands.
Also, if you're interested in this topic, I recommend My Year of Meats by Ruth Ozeki, a novel exposing the workings of the beef industry and global capital in Japan and the US. Though Ozeki's book does indulge in some racial stereotyping of both Japanese and American identity, it's still quite brilliant in a darkly comic vein. And Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake provides a terrific, and terrifying, take on the future of humanity and humanism in a genetically engineered world...
If you think these writers are writing dystopic fictions outside our immediate reality, you can think again. Did you know that the luscious, firm, and large tomatoes we get in supermarkets today are produced by crossing the tomato gene with the flounder (as in fish) gene? Salad, anyone?
its disgusting...i dont think any animal deserves to be treated that way, whether we eat it or not...people like mr.mo should be shot...disgrace to society!
Abhinav, wrt your question on double standards, someone asked me once, when I was in the middle of my sermon on vegetarianism, "Why don't you feel a pang when you kill a mosquito or a fly, but feel bad when you see a tiger/cow/dog lie dead?" Nice point. Even in stories when the tiger was out to get Man, you still root for the dead tiger. After all, it was following its instincts for food or self-defence. Likewise for the mosquito, right? So, when we see gore, we feel all mushy but when we don't, it's all right to exterminate...?
Comments anyone?
@kyra
ah ok, you understand then! cheers, do keep visiting.
@f2f,
well, it was equally economically disastrous for farmers in South USA when the slaves were freed - we have to take a stand somewhere and collectively bear the cost. i think its worth it. cruelty is WRONG, plain and simple - i don't see a gray area here.
if it seems like i'm attacking you, i'm sorry... i'm just in the process of reading alex haley's roots, and maybe the atrocities committed to african slaves are still fresh in my mind as a result.
i hate the thought that such things still continue, to animals now.
@nina,
thats it in a nutshell really. i can't imagine how sick this guy must be. and yes, whether you eat animals or not - this kind of cruelty just sucks.
@bharat,
you're right, buddy - we tend to get a little sentimental over something as beautiful and graceful as a tiger, or something as innately loveable as a dog (i honestly belive they are, especially when they stare at you half-sadly half-hopefully for a scrap of food.)
i don't necessarily condone it, but i do understand it.
Look at human history. What is it but a laundry list of cruelty, the repeated perpetration of wrongs on the weak in order to consolidate power for a few? Can you say you've never used a product that has been tested on animals?
Also, read Edward Jones's The Known World. It's a Pulitzer- winning historical novel about slavery in the antebellum period. Its protagonist is a freed black man who owns slaves.
ooh, sounds a bit like emperor jones..
and hey, i never said i wasn't guilty of hypocrisy. apart from the fact that it comes with life in the 21st century, sometimes its just so much easier to just not worry about it, which is a crime in itself, i suppose. its not easy.
this article is for the dogs.(pun unintended)
right... i now seem to have a blog stalker.
a mysterious anonymous commenter who comes everytime, cracks horrible jokes and goes away.
curious.
horrible jokes ?????? dey wer supposd to be complimnts
never mind :-O
awwww did i offend you? sorryyyy
gosh, that was awful.
:-)
name is ramesh (not stalker)
bharat's question's making me wonder- does anyone know if these man-eaters leave their habitats to specifically hunt men?
i wasn't advocating rabbit. what i meant was that people think it's okay to eat some animals, and not okay to eat others, and i don't subscribe to that hypocrisy.
but, IMO, it just doesn't extend to the cute end, i.e. ppl saying they won't eat dog, but also to the other end, where they wouldn't eat something such as snake.
and, vis-a-vis the sadistic person thing, meant that, should someone prize human life above all forms, regardless of the nature? whether it should be or not, i think it should be given priority.
for eg., i heard that org were mobilizing transport/resources to ship animals out of beirut, when many people were still waiting to be evacuated. sure, the argument is that there are more than enough org doing the same for people, but there is always more to do..
doubt that this comment is any clearer than the previous one. :P
and, as eye said, my god, how you get these commenters to flock here..
which ramesh would this be? sorry, noone comes to mind immediately.
@sc,
my knowledge on the subject is based on gerald durrel and jim corbett, but from what i gather, usually deforestation causes them to come out of the woods and test if human flesh suits their palate, especially when a village encroaches into the hitherto forest land. so.
@antickpix,
i THINK i got it this time... but isn't that kind of what my post is exactly? or were you just reinforcing my point.
i agree with you that humans are priority.
but since human rights has improved greatly (there's no more slavery, for example) maybe its time we looked at animal rights dont you think?
the example you cited still remains an isolated incident, or so i would imagine. correct me if i'm wrong.
I think it makes sesnse to conserve biodiversity especially if you're prioritising humans. According to conservationists, every plant or animal has at least 5 other life-forms dependent on it for survival. And every ecosystem needs a healthy balance of interdependent life-forms for its optimal functioning. All we need to do is, if, say, we suddenly develop a taste for shark or tiger or elephant or whatever, we should take equal measures to replenish the depleted numbers of the animal in question. In the case of rainforests that cannot be replenished, we should look for alternatives such as wood from trees that can be easily perpetuated. It's in our own interest.
Um, I think I went off on a bit of a tangent there though. The cruelty aspect remains too complex to address, given that the very definition of "cruelty" is culturally subjective...
remember madagascar when the lion becomes wild again and wants to eat his zoo friends?
u cant be human about chicken, u can be considerate enough to treat em well while their alive... but being human is being equal... right? if im human im putting myself in the shoes of the one im being human towards...is that even right usage? ...end o the day its jus survival... if its not of the individual its of the clan or tribe or country... of ur cunt...
@eyefry,
again i agree with most of what you have to say, but again, i don't see human being addressing long term issues - things that don't affect us immediately. we're a short sighted race. lets face it.
as for cruelty being subjective - i don't agree at all. cruelty is cruelty. if you're inflicting pain deliberately, that's cruelty.
however i do make a slight distinction between cruelty for profit and cruelty for pleasure. mofo's cruelty seems partly for pleasure, which is plain disgusting.
@eternal flunky,
yes you're right its survival of the fittest alright... except that with human beings we have gone way beyond that. do you kill the chicken that you eat? obviously not. i think the survival of the fittest argument has to come with several footnotes today... it's way too complex to be dismissed in one sentence.
Hmm I have nothing against vegetarianism but isn't that again another type of hypocrisy? I mean potatoes, carrots and other root vegetables cannot be eaten unless you pull out the plant by its roots. This is, in reality, pretty traumatic to the plant and it will not survive such a trauma. So is it ok to kill a plant just because it is not something we can easily identify with? It's still a living creature!
And plants definitely feel pain... You might not like following links but I'm leaving one anyway!
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/08/plant_pain.html
But I guess it's a matter of survival, huh?
if they stop producing food in the villages, we'll die in a snap of the fingers... the whole market-commerce system is survival instinct innit?
btw, since we'r talkin food, i passed by bbay halwa house the other day and my stomack gave out a wail as though saying "mummy!! im hungweee!"
@jan,
honestly, this isn't an argument about vegetarianism. i really don't have a problem about killing animals.
but the cruelties that are meted out to animals in mass production are atrocious. even if plants do feel pain, you're still pulling it out, all slicing it, whether its small time stuff or mass production.
@eternal flunky,
dude, i seriously don't know about the underlying economic issue... i'm only telling you what i saw at the hatchery.
bombay halwa house - well, since i just came back from a nice aloo paratha there, i know what u mean. let me know when you're in this part of town i will treat you to one.
hurray!!!! will let u kno for sure... but does ur change in job mean ur no longer at hindu office?
about the issue... im jus saying, humans have only complicated the basic instincts... we still have the same drives, but deal with it differently because we cant just cant go around and mate in the open or kill and eat ... we need to take our ..ego(?) .. into consideration and throw our dirty work as far away as possible... i wonder what it is that makes us seperate from all other species... i wish i had the deep thought with me... dont care for the meaning of life, but there are other relatively more elementary, yet more important issues that need sorting out... like the girl trouble.... and your chicks in a cage thing.... lol
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